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Also, one more thing on this project, a question, actually. Will the 'others' be one big party with one candidate nominated, each be their own party, or be a big party with 'jungle primaries?'

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Sorry for the run-on series of posts on this topic, but I'm still thinking on it. You may also want to include George Clinton as an 'other,' given he won electoral votes for president in 1808, despite being Madison's running mate. You could also make him a Democratic-Republican (his actual party of allegiance) as a primaries rival for Crawford.

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Also, one more thing on this project, a question, actually. Will the 'others' be one big party with one candidate nominated, each be their own party, or be a big party with 'jungle primaries?'

The answer is that I haven't actually thought out how to arrange the "Others," and would appreciate feedback. I might consider cordoning off the "Southern Democrats," Breckinridge, Thurmond, and Wallace into their own party. Other than that, I'm not sure. I might use the jungle primary strategy for people like Perot etc., or I might have some sort of Left-Wing Third Party that incorporates the Socialists, the Progressives, the Greens (Nader) and nominates just one candidate.

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I'd do it this way:

Democrats:

Lewis Cass

Stephen Douglas

George McClellan

Horatio Seymour

Horace Greeley

Samuel Tilden

Winfield Hancock

William Jennings Bryan

Alton Parker

James Cox

John Davis

Al Smith

Adlai Stevenson

Hubert Humphrey

George McGovern

Walter Mondale

Michael Dukakis

Al Gore

John Kerry

Republicans:

John Fremont

James Blaine

Charles Evans Hughes

Alf Landon

Wendell Willkie

Thomas Dewey

Barry Goldwater

Bob Dole

John McCain

Whigs:

Henry Clay

Daniel Webster

Hugh White

Willie Magnum

Winfield Scott

Democratic-Republicans:

George Clinton

William Crawford

Federalists:

Charles C. Pinckney

DeWitt Clinton

Rufus King

Southern Democrats:

John Floyd

John Breckinridge

Strom Thurmond

George Wallace

Left-Wing Third Party:

Eugene Debs

Robert LaFollette

Henry Wallace

Ralph Nader

Other Third Parties (Each with their own party or 'jungle primaries'):

William Wirt

John Bell

James Weaver

John Anderson

Ross Perot

So much as you'd said, but with my suggestion on the Democratic-Republicans and Wirt and Floyd, and either Third Parties seperately for the rest or 'jungle primaries.' You could also include Weaver a a Left-Wing Third Party Candidate despite socially conservative elements in his party.

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I like it.

Now the question: with these 51 candidates, do I bother making a demographic model of this election, or do I just do it by instinct?

I'd do it by instinct, to get it out faster. A B-list scenario doesn't need to be quite as accurate as an A-list scenario, after all. If you do the five non-assigned Third Party candidates (Wirt, Bell, Weaver, Anderson, and Perot) as each their own party, you should use actual ballot party names (Anti-Masonic, Constitutional Union, Populist, Independent, and Reform, respectively) and have Wirt and Bell restricted historically as to where they're on the ballot. If you do them as a jungle primary, however, I'm at a loss for a concise unifying name, or for a shorter one than Left Wing Third Party for that bloc.

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Progressive Party seems fine to me. And now that you mention it, ballot access does seem dispositive in terms of whether I should make the "others" their own party or not. I think I should, though it will make Wirt at least trivially unimportant. Now, which candidates should be On By Default?

Democrats:

Lewis Cass ON

Stephen Douglas ON

George McClellan OFF

Horatio Seymour OFF

Horace Greeley OFF

Samuel Tilden ON

Winfield Hancock OFF

William Jennings Bryan ON

Alton Parker OFF

James Cox OFF

John Davis ON

Al Smith ON

Adlai Stevenson ON

Hubert Humphrey ON

George McGovern ON

Walter Mondale OFF

Michael Dukakis OFF

Al Gore ON

John Kerry ON

Republicans:

John Fremont ON

James Blaine ON

Charles Evans Hughes ON

Alf Landon ON

Wendell Willkie OFF

Thomas Dewey ON

Barry Goldwater ON

Bob Dole ON

John McCain ON

Whigs:

Henry Clay ON

Daniel Webster ON

Hugh White OFF

Willie Magnum OFF

Winfield Scott OFF

Democratic-Republicans:

George Clinton ON

William Crawford OFF

Federalists:

Charles C. Pinckney ON

DeWitt Clinton ON

Rufus King OFF

Southern Democrats:

John Floyd OFF

John Breckinridge ON

Strom Thurmond ON

George Wallace ON

Progressives:

Eugene Debs ON

Robert LaFollette ON

Henry Wallace ON

Ralph Nader ON

James Weaver ON

Anti-Masonic:

William Wirt OFF

Constitutional Union:

John Bell OFF

Independent:

John Anderson OFF

Reform:

Ross Perot OFF

Does that sound like a good list to people?

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Progressive Party seems fine to me. And now that you mention it, ballot access does seem dispositive in terms of whether I should make the "others" their own party or not. I think I should, though it will make Wirt at least trivially unimportant. Now, which candidates should be On By Default?

Democrats:

Lewis Cass ON

Stephen Douglas ON

George McClellan OFF

Horatio Seymour OFF

Horace Greeley OFF

Samuel Tilden ON

Winfield Hancock OFF

William Jennings Bryan ON

Alton Parker OFF

James Cox OFF

John Davis ON

Al Smith ON

Adlai Stevenson ON

Hubert Humphrey ON

George McGovern ON

Walter Mondale OFF

Michael Dukakis OFF

Al Gore ON

John Kerry ON

Republicans:

John Fremont ON

James Blaine ON

Charles Evans Hughes ON

Alf Landon ON

Wendell Willkie OFF

Thomas Dewey ON

Barry Goldwater ON

Bob Dole ON

John McCain ON

Whigs:

Henry Clay ON

Daniel Webster ON

Hugh White OFF

Willie Magnum OFF

Winfield Scott OFF

Democratic-Republicans:

George Clinton ON

William Crawford OFF

Federalists:

Charles C. Pinckney ON

DeWitt Clinton ON

Rufus King OFF

Southern Democrats:

John Floyd OFF

John Breckinridge ON

Strom Thurmond ON

George Wallace ON

Progressives:

Eugene Debs ON

Robert LaFollette ON

Henry Wallace ON

Ralph Nader ON

James Weaver ON

Anti-Masonic:

William Wirt OFF

Constitutional Union:

John Bell OFF

Independent:

John Anderson OFF

Reform:

Ross Perot OFF

Does that sound like a good list to people?

I'd probably reverse Clinton and Crawford's status, as Crawford actively campaigned and got more EV's and had more party backing (two ex-presidents and the caucus endorsed him), despite his stroke (I'd just give him a low Stamina), whereas Clinton, though campaigning for his own ticket, largely got his EV's due to popularity in the New York legislature. However, Clinton may have been the stronger candidate if the two went head-to-head in a primary; hard to say. But that's something to consider. Otherwise, it looks great!

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Oh, to anyone I've sent this to already: I've done a new apportionment adding in the 2010 census numbers, and the following states should have their EV's changed as follows:

New York: 46, down from 48

Pennsylvania: 36, down from 40

California: 25, up from 24

Illinois: 23, down from 24

Texas: 20, up from 19

Virginia: 19, up from 18

Georgia: 14, up from 13

Kentucky: 13, down from 14

Alabama: 11, up from 10

Florida: 11, up from 10

South Carolina: 11, up from 10

Iowa: 9, down from 10

Washington: 7, up from 6

Maine: 6, down from 7

Oregon: 5, up from 4

Utah: 4, up from 3

In theory populations also ought to change a little bit, but I'm not sure those numbers are out yet and in any event it's much more work.

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I managed to win the nomination as Truman, getting Kennedy and LBJ to endorse me early on. I focused on the East Coast and let everyone else battle it out in the West, dividing up the delegates. I've found that this is the best strategy. As I focused on the later states, I had no competition. I chose LBJ as my VP. We'll see how the GE goes now!

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Finished as Truman and won handily. It's a great scenario for the challenge of it. With Washington and Jefferson pulling votes on the East Coast, it makes for a challenging fight as either a Dem or GOPer

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Good to see Truman can end up with the nomination; I've typically tried it with more top-tier candidates like JFK/FDR.

Who was the Republican in your race?

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I faced Eisenhower/McCain. I didn't pay attention to the GOP primaries as much as the Dems, but the Dem primaries really swing back and forth as to who is in the lead. I think by the end the only major Democrat who hadn't been the front runner was Carter.

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Is there anyway this scenario is still available? Perhaps from others who've downloaded it...? I've been dying for an all-star scenario ... the email address is os_davis@yahoo.com.

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Is there anyway this scenario is still available? Perhaps from others who've downloaded it...? I've been dying for an all-star scenario ... the email address is os_davis@yahoo.com.

I do have this. Do I need mahaadoxyz' permission to distribute it? By the way, I've also, with mahaadoxyz' permission, taken up the mantle of the B-List (those who ran, got significant performance, but still lost) scenario, based on the same scenario skeleton but with different candidates and some additional parties (full list on page 3 of this thread), and am working on it now if anyone's interested.

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I do have this. Do I need mahaadoxyz' permission to distribute it? By the way, I've also, with mahaadoxyz' permission, taken up the mantle of the B-List (those who ran, got significant performance, but still lost) scenario, based on the same scenario skeleton but with different candidates and some additional parties (full list on page 3 of this thread), and am working on it now if anyone's interested.

Yes, please, i'd love the runners-up game, too; i've been following this thread. I will give all due respect, worship and love to you and mahaadoxyz forever if you send these scenarios. And thanks for the speedy reply to my appeal!

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