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French presidential election 2012 scenario for P4E !

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First week : with the work already done on the scenario, the Socialist Party (PS) is highly divided, while the UMP is united behind Nicolas Sarkozy. So the President is not as far ahead as this map seems to show it. Actually he is currently often behind after the primaries. One precision on this screen : as you can see it, the MODEM (Bayrou) is too much stronger I will change that.

You can find lots of informations on the thoughts we brought together with participants on this thread in the second post.

Now I would like to have your opinion and help on this.

1) First, I would like to know what ideas, knowledge or clichés you have on French elections and the presidential one. On this your opinions will be important, because i'm involved in french politics so my point of view can't be totally objective on the french political system.

2) Secondly, I am not a "master" on campaign manager, neither on English language. So any help to correct what I write on the scenario and to help balance it would be very helpfull !!!

I hope this scenario will interest you. I will soon post some of the work already done to have your opinion on it.

Let's try today the first beta of this scenario ! The v0.1 version is out on this post

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And about this election : here is our national song that you can hear in every political meeting that is not from the far left :

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So I'm sorry but I can't publish my map currently, I don't know how to do so on this forum. Could you help me on this please ?

About issues already created (only "titles", not descriptions for all political sides) :

- Common Agricultural Policy

- Iran

- Education

- Unemployement

- European Union

- Hunting

- ID Controls

- Alcohol

- Immigration

- Health Care

- Islam

- Smoking bans (but an issue probably not anymore an issue in 2012)

- Environment

- Unions

- War on terror

- Economic Growth (is it necessary to have an economic growth or do we have to be in De-growth ? An actual real debate in France, as silly as it may sounds to non-french citizens)

- Riots

- New Issue

What do you think of those issues ? Do you have ideas on issues to implement ?

Candidats:

UMP

Nicolas Sarkzoy

Xavier Bertrand (OFF)

Dominique de Villepin (OFF)

Alain Juppé (OFF)

Jean-François Copé (OFF)

PS

Ségolène Royal

François Hollande

Bertrand Delanoe

Dominique Strauss-Kahn

Laurent Fabius

Harlem Désir

Martine Aubry

Benoît Hamon

Manuel Valls

Gérard Collomb (OFF)

Europe Ecologie

Daniel Cohn-Bendit

José Bové

Cécile Duflot

MODEM

François Bayrou

LCR-Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste

Olivier Besancenot

MPF

Philippe de Villiers

FN

Marine Le Pen

Bruno Gollnisch

Jean-Marie Le Pen (OFF)

Front de Gauche

Jean-Luc Mélenchon

PCF

Marie-George Buffet

LO

Nathalie Arthaud

Arlette Laguiller (OFF)

first works on political parties :

UMP :

Funds : 8,000,000

Established : 4

Block Grant : 800,000 (maximum funds reimbursed by the national state)

Fundraising coefficient : 1 (but I'm not sure what it does)

PS :

Funds : 6,000,000

Established : 4

Block Grant : 800,000 (maximum funds reimbursed by the national state)

Fundraising coefficient : 1

Europe Ecologie :

Funds : 1.000.000

Established : 2

Block Grant : 800,000 (maximum funds reimbursed by the national state)

Fundraising coefficient : 1

Primaries :

All parties : closes one except PS, potentially open one (currently in debate)

Start date : September 4th 2011

General election start date : February 5th 2012

End date : April 22nd 2012 (probably first turn of the presidential election in 2012)

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This is great. I tried to do the 2007 National Assembly election but it was too complicated. I think it is useful to have a French political person doing it.

Some notes:

1. Will Nouveau Centre really contest the first round, or will they back the President? It seems that they are behaving similarly to the other small parties within the presidential majority.

2. I think you need more economic issues, like Finance and Taxation. Perhaps also Defence / Military Bases.

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Thanks ! So there is my map, with regions and our far away territories.

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The Nouveau Centre will probably back Nicolas Sarkozy, as the MPF would probably do. However, to have it with it's candidate(s) off by default seems logical to me. I think that if in late 2011 Nicolas Sarkozy is to low in popularity, and the left succeeded in nominating a popular candidate, the coalition around the president may very well end. This coalition exists only because Nicolas Sarkozy and the UMP will continue to be the most probable winners in the next years elections. That's why those parties gather around the UMP. So to be able to play the nouveau centre may be interesting.

On the issues your proposed, that's good idea and I don't really understand why I didn't put them in the first place... So now taxation will replace moking bans, and I'll had Defense. And Financial reform replace Alcohol.

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Je suis francophone et je peux bien t'aider avec plaisir si tu as des difficultés en anglais.

Je dois dire que je connaîs pas mal la politique française et particulèrement celles des DOM-TOM.

Cependant, le problème vient principalement du manque d'un système à deux tours dans P4E, donc il va falloir fort problablement essayer de garder le nombre de partis aux régions qui peuvent gagner des délégués à l'UMP et au PS.

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Candidats:

UMP

Nicolas Sarkzoy

Xavier Bertrand (OFF)

Dominique de Villepin (OFF)

Alain Juppé (OFF)

Jean-François Copé (OFF)

PS

Ségolène Royal

François Hollande

Bertrand Delanoe

Dominique Strauss-Kahn

Laurent Fabius

Harlem Désir

Martine Aubry

Gérard Collomb

Benoît Hamon

Europe Ecologie

Daniel Cohn-Bendit

José Bové

Céline Duflot

MODEM

François Bayrou

LCR-Nouveau Parti Anticapitaliste

Olivier Besancenot

MPF

Philippe de Villiers

FN

Marine Le Pen

Bruno Gollnisch

Jean-Marie Le Pen (OFF)

Front de Gauche

PCF

Marie-George Buffet

LO

Nathalie Arthaud

Arlette Laguiller (OFF)

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It is somewhat possible to see a pattern between regional support of each party:

Basically, the UMP is strong in all the North-Western France (Alsace, Lorraine), in Central France, South-Western France, in Corsica and some areas in major cities especially Paris, Lyon and Marseille.

The PS is strong in some areas in major cities (Paris, Lyon, Marseille) and in Southwestern France.

The MoDem is stronger in Southwestern France than anywhere else.

Britanny is a mixed-bag between the UMP (in local and regional elections) and the PS (in presidential elections).

The far-left is strong in some banlieues of major cities and in some industrial areas in Nord-Pas-de-Calais and in Lorraine.

The far-right is stronger in some areas in Northern France and in Western and South-Western France.

The Greens are among in basically the same areas than the PS.

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Je suis francophone et je peux bien t'aider avec plaisir si tu as des difficultés en anglais.

Je dois dire que je connaîs pas mal la politique française et particulèrement celles des DOM-TOM.

Cependant, le problème vient principalement du manque d'un système à deux tours dans P4E, donc il va falloir fort problablement essayer de garder le nombre de partis aux régions qui peuvent gagner des délégués à l'UMP et au PS.

You're right the fact that there is only one election turn is a real difficulty. So for now, we won't be able to play the run off.

But this is a real difficulty. If the political spectrum stay like it is today, Nicolas Sarkozy should win with a large margin the first turn (like 30 or 35% of the vote, with maybe 20% of the vote for the PS, if not less). But the second turn will be far closer than that.

And we will have to put delegates in place this is the way the game runs. However, for more realism, players should not take those in consideration for the general election, only % of voters.

Thanks by the way for your help on translation. I replied in english for english-only speaking.

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It is somewhat possible to see a pattern between regional support of each party:

Basically, the UMP is strong in all the North-Western France (Alsace, Lorraine), in Central France, South-Western France, in Corsica and some areas in major cities especially Paris, Lyon and Marseille.

The PS is strong in some areas in major cities (Paris, Lyon, Marseille) and in Southwestern France.

The MoDem is stronger in Southwestern France than anywhere else.

Britanny is a mixed-bag between the UMP (in local and regional elections) and the PS (in presidential elections).

The far-left is strong in some banlieues of major cities and in some industrial areas in Nord-Pas-de-Calais and in Lorraine.

The far-right is stronger in some areas in Northern France and in Western and South-Western France.

The Greens are among in basically the same areas than the PS.

I have edited my second post : I will put all informations in it with work in progress. I changed and added some things on the candidate list, but mostly it was it. By the way, how is it that you know so much of the French politics ?

However for strength, you gave to much strength to the UMP I think. In south west, the left is stronger (but maybe you meant south EAST ?). And in Paris, Strength was for the last presidential election, but clearly the PS is stronger now. At least we will have to observe what will happen in 2010 with regional election, but I think this region will stay most "neutral" and a real battlefield for all sides.

For the modem, actually there is only ONE department where they are strong, in the Aquitaine region. After that, they are everywhere not really strong, but a real presence. Even if they lost a lot on the last European election.

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Added on the second post, first works on political parties :

UMP :

Funds : 8,000,000

Established : 4

Block Grant : 800,000 (maximum funds reimbursed by the national state)

Fundraising coefficient : 1 (but I'm not sure what it does)

PS :

Funds : 6,000,000

Established : 4

Block Grant : 800,000 (maximum funds reimbursed by the national state)

Fundraising coefficient : 1

Europe Ecologie :

Funds : 1.000.000

Established : 2

Block Grant : 800,000 (maximum funds reimbursed by the national state)

Fundraising coefficient : 1

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MoDem strength will depend greatly on whether François Bayrou is the candidate, is that correct? If there were a different candidate, perhaps they would not succeed in Aquitaine?

On the first/second round problem, one can design two scenarios. The first scenario will include everyone and feature primaries and the first round, the other will include only two parties on by default and no primaries, to represent the second round.

(Incidentally your English is perfect - certainly better than my French)

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I have edited my second post : I will put all informations in it with work in progress. I changed and added some things on the candidate list, but mostly it was it. By the way, how is it that you know so much of the French politics ?

However for strength, you gave to much strength to the UMP I think. In south west, the left is stronger (but maybe you meant south EAST ?). And in Paris, Strength was for the last presidential election, but clearly the PS is stronger now. At least we will have to observe what will happen in 2010 with regional election, but I think this region will stay most "neutral" and a real battlefield for all sides.

For the modem, actually there is only ONE department where they are strong, in the Aquitaine region. After that, they are everywhere not really strong, but a real presence. Even if they lost a lot on the last European election.

I am French Canadian, so I have some interest about it.

Historically (and since the French Revolution), the south west was more prone to leftist/radical ideas. Also, I think (but less than 40 years ago) than you can see a correlation between church attendance numbers and voting patterns as more conservative regions are regions than people are the most religious.

For the south-east, I think that it is a battlefield region as many cities (like Marseille) are very polarized between the UMP/PS with a little support to the FN.

For the DOM-TOM, it is very difficult to see a constant pattern, however these are my understanding of the situation:

-Réunion, Mayotte, Guadeloupe and Martinique are PS territory and the far-left can do respectable scores.

-Guyane and the Nouvelle-Calédonie are a battleground between the UMP and PS.

-Polynésie Française and Willis and Fortuna is more UMP than PS.

-St-Pierre-and-Miquelon is a mixed bag and the centre tends to do well.

This could also help as the issues for 2207 are a good starting point:

30% of men voted for Sarkozy, 24% of them for Royal. 32% of women voted Sarkozy, 27% Royal. 29% of 18-24 years-old voted Royal, against 26% for Sarkozy. Sarkozy also made a higher score for 35-44 years-old and 60-69 years-old, but a lesser score in the 45-59 years-old category.

36% of farmers voted Sarkozy against 8% for Royal. Workers voted at similar levels for both Sarkozy and Royal (21% for each), while public servants voted at 34% for Royal (18% for Sarkozy). 19% of unemployed people voted for Sarkozy, 32% of them for Royal. Students also voted in majority for Royal (32% against 21%), while pensioned elders voted at 41% for Sarkozy (23% for Royal).

Europe

Ségolène Royal (Socialist Party) proposed a referendum on a new European treaty for 2009. She declared she would request guarantees on the social policies followed by the European Union, in particular by reaching an agreement with German chancellor Angela Merkel on the controversial role of the European Central Bank — contrary to the U.S Federal Reserve, the ECB has an exclusive role to counter inflation. Royal stated she would negotiate with European partners in order to include economic growth and employment as aims within the ECB's policies.[43])[44]

Nicolas Sarkozy (Union for a Popular Movement) proposed a simplified European treaty which would be ratified by the French Parliament instead of being submitted to a referendum. He also declared himself against the rule of unanimity in European decisions and opposed the accession of Turkey to the European Union.[45] Furthermore, he said he would argue in favour of revaluing the euro, increasing the European defence budget and creating a European Foreign Affairs Minister.[46]

International policies

Royal proposed a new EU-led peace proposal in the Middle East.[47] She also declared herself in favour of a nuclear deterrent power, increased European cooperation on military matters, relaunching the Euromediterranean Partnership (Barcelona Process) and promoting generic drugs in developing countries.[43]

Sarkozy pledged to maintain the defence budget at its current level; develop new weapons; create a national security council, which would respond to the President of the Republic; launch a reflection on nuclear deterrence; limit French military presence in Africa; maintain a firm policy concerning the Iranian nuclear programme, enacted in the frame of the United Nations.[46]

Economic and social policies

Royal promised a minimum wage (known as the salaire minimum interprofessionnel de croissance, or SMIC) of 1,500 euros, with 90 percent of salary for year after losing job.[47] She declared herself for the repeal of the CNE employment contract.[43] She declared herself for the reimbursement of public aid to companies who offshored themselves, and would not support with public money firms that implement downsizing plans.[43]

Sarkozy proposed to the contrary to adapt the 35-hour workweek previously established by PS minister Martine Aubry during Lionel Jospin's government by promoting overtime work.

Energy and environment

Royal stated she would cut dependency on nuclear power and would aim to have renewable energy provide at least 20 percent of France's electricity before 2020.[47] She also said she would create a public pole of energy around EDF and GDF (this is directly count to the GDF-Suez merger and announced in 2006 by the government of Dominique de Villepin, which involved privatisation).[43]

Sarkozy said he would develop nuclear technologies and increase the tax on pollution.[47] He also said he would promote international law on environment.[46]

Unemployment

Royal promised that no youth will stay unemployed for more than six months without receiving a publicly-supported job or training.[43] She also said she would create zero-interest loans to youth.[43]

Health

Royal said she would emphasise occupational safety and health; sanction physicians who refuse CMU patients; re-establish free medicine for illegal aliens;[43] create a plan of research on rare diseases; grant a weekly free medical consultation for those 16-25 years old; free birth control for women under 25.[43]

Housing

Royal declared herself for a construction project of 120,000 council homes a year to cut the "housing crisis" as well as a private rent cap and life-long guarantee of housing (in the continuation of the debate on the droit au logement, right to housing, on the model of Scotland's 2003 Homelessness Act). She said she would simplify procedures for evicting people who were deliberately not paying their rent; and would facilitate the purchase of council housing by people who have rented it for 15 years.[43]

Sarkozy promised to provide assistance for those who want to buy their council homes and to eradicate homelessness within two years[47]

Immigration

Royal declared herself in favour of granting residency papers (i.e. of regularisation of the status of illegal aliens) if they have a work permit and reside in France for a sufficient time.[47]

Sarkozy promised to cut immigration flux and favour "chosen immigration" (i.e. "qualified immigration").[47]

Taxes

Royal said she would not increase general taxation, would lighten burden on employment-creative firms and "consolidate" the 35-hour week, a goal which would pass by decreasing its negative effects.[47][43] She said she would modulate tax on companies depending on if they use it for re-investment or to redistribute the profits to the shareholders.[43] She also declared she would simplify the procedures to create new firms and better social protection for employers.[43]

Sarkozy promised to cut taxes by four percent, increase the exemption for inheritance tax to 95% and grant a "right to work for more than 35 hours."[47].

Law and order

Royal said she would force young offenders to military-like education.[47] She promised to double the budget of the Minister of Justice, strengthen security on public transport, promote a law against domestic violence, reinforce judicial aid processes and create an independent organ of surveillance of the state of prisons.[43]

Sarkozy declared himself in favour of minimum terms for reoffenders and tougher sentences on juvenile offenders.[47]

Culture and Media

Royal promised to support the tertiary sector of culture. She also pledged to take measures against concentration of media ownership and tax private TV companies (TF1, M6, etc.) to support public companies (France Télévisions, Arte, etc.).[43]

Sarkozy promised free entry to national museums; to increase the budget of the Minister of Culture; to remove blocks to private patronage of the arts; to force public TV to increase the amount of cultural shows; to support authors' rights (droit d'auteur) and other copyright protections (DADVSI); and to support free software.[46]

Research

Royal said she would increase the research budget by 10% and increase the budget for universities to the extent that, within five years, it would reach the average of OECD countries.[43]

Sarkozy said he would increase by 40% the budget dedicated to research by 2012.[46]

Budget

Royal said a 2.5% expected economic growth would finance her promises.[47]

Sarkozy gave assurances he would cut the costs of the French Civil Service, which account for 45% of the budget.[47]

Institutional reforms

Royal said she would grant the right of foreigners to vote in local elections.[43] She would repeal the veto of the Senate in constitutional matters.[43] She declared herself in favour of the addition of a laïcité charter (secular charter) to the Constitution.[43]

Sarkozy said he would establish minimum service in the public administration (thus restricting right of strike); cut unneeded government bodies; increase the productivity of the public administration; insure state expenses by taxes only; a two-term limit for the president; organise the responsibility of the President before the Parliament; limit the number of ministers to 15; non-replacement of one civil servant out of two which retires and increase of wages and training in the public administration.[46].

LGBT Issues

Royal proposed introducing a bill to legalize same-sex marriage and gay adoption.[48]

Sarkozy voiced opposition to both gay marriage and adoption, although he favours civil unions for same-sex couples.[49] He maintained, however, close ties to MP Christine Boutin, known for her anti-gay views.

Commerçants, artisans et chefs d'entreprises 82 % 18 %

Agriculteurs 67 % 33 %

Professions libérales et cadres supérieurs 52 % 48 %

Professions intermédiaires 49 % 51 %

Employés 49 % 51 %

Ouvriers 46 % 54 %

Sarkozy Royal

Plus de 70 ans 68 % 32 %

Entre 60 et 69 ans 61 % 39 %

Entre 45 et 59 ans 45 % 55 %

Entre 35 et 44 ans 50 % 50 %

Entre 25 et 34 ans 57 % 43 %

Entre 18 et 24 ans 42 % 58 %

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2007

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Élection_présidentielle_française_de_2007

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagne_présidentielle_française_de_2007#Fonction_publique

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Okay now things are moving on. The map is almost entirely done (just missing flags), I began to work on all political parties (almost all done), and on a few candidates. Interviewers are also done.

For now, one really important thing to do will be to write descriptions on issues. This may not be easy for none French people but this is a really important thing to do, and ask for quite some work). If some people interested in this scenario could give me a hand on this this would be great.

That done, I will be able to achieve issues for candidates and to organise them into all France's regions.

Thanks for your help and interest ;)

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News :

The developpement for the scenario is moving on.

Now, we have 3 early versions but fully developped (need to work on balance a little again) parties with all the candidates : UMP, PS and MODEM.

Issues are worked on. Still some work to do though, to be able to finish it with the candidates already done.

The map is entirely finished.

I hope to be able to propose you a first beta version to have your opinion. The scenario will of course be entirely in english so no problem to understand it.

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This scenario is not dead ! Still a long way before 2012 so I miss lots of intels, and take my time to create it !

This week end, we vote in France. Sunday's vote will be very important as it is the last major vote before the 2012 elections. It will show for the "last" time through actual votes and philosophical and political choices. So I will use a lot this week end's results to continue the creation of political parties and candidates.

This week end's run off should (but might not !) confirm some facts we saw last sunday with the first turn of our local elections.

1) Right wing voters are angry against the UMP (President Sarkozy's party, theorically right wing) because they consider that the UMP's policies are the same the Socialist Party (PS) is doing. So basically right wing voters did not go to vote last week and will probably not vote again this week end. This is very important because with the very very low number of citizens who voted last week and with poltical ideologies French people are showing in polls, it is clear that the French people are more "conservative" (of course not as conservative as in the US !) than we used to be, but right wing voters do not consider the actual right wing party in charge is "conservative" at all;

2) Nicolas Sarkozy is very unpopular, with more French people willing to see our prime minister François Fillon as the UMP candidate in 2012. With the PS heading towards an "American like" primary for the Presidency, the UMP might have to do the same. A Sarkozy-Fillon match is more likely than ever now ! If President Sarkozy is candidate... In the last few months, he gave us the impression that he might decide not to be candidate in 2012 (which would change a lot ! Even for something as little as this scenario :-) )

3) The left is not stronger than in 2007. They just benefit clearly from the fact that right leaning people do not vote.

4) The FN (far right) is clearly having a boost from right leaning people who decided to vote, but not for the UMP. Their score last sunday was way better than expected and was their best one since 2002. This is huge because lots of people begin to say the FN's 2012 candidate might do something like 25% or higher in some regions, which would definitely be hard for the UMP. And one thing is very important : for a few months, the FN, especially through Marine Le Pen, is beginning to say they are a right wing party and that the UMP is from the left, doing the same policies the PS wants to do. This do bring them lots of right leaning voters. With some friends, we even talked about the possibility that the run off in 2012 might be just with the PS' candidate and the FN candidate after the first turn (only the two highers results are allowed in the run off in our presidential election).

On the scenario : right now, 4 political parties are "playable" : UMP, PS, MODEM and FN, with candidates, a few issues, photos, etc... I will focus on those four + Europe Ecologie (our main green party) as those five parties makes almost all the votes, and balance the game nicely (2 left wing parties, 2 right wing parties, one "centrist" party). That done in a few month :-) the scenario will be totally playable. And the first main informations on the 2012 elections might begin to come out to make it possible to begin to work on details, to correct issues, polls, candidates, parties, names, etc...

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So with the first results of today's elections in France some things are to take in consideration for the 2012 elections and of course this scenario.

Things noted last week are still true :

- The left leaning voters do believe they can win and have an high motivation for the next elections.

- The right leaning voters did not vote. They simply decided to not support Nicolas Sarkozy's party. But they did not vote for the left either. They stayed at home or voted Front National

- The far right is stronger than ever. For the first time since its creation dozens of years ago, they did better during the run off than they did in the first turn. In every region where they had candidates, they received between 15 and 25 % of the votes.

All of this will be taken in consideration for the scenario, especially important for the primaries : it means candidates more at the right than Nicolas Sarkozy may do better than the president in the UMP primary.

It also means that now I know who are our new Presidents of our Regions (equivalent of Governors in the US), which is very important for the scenario.

Don't hesitate to give me your ideas to continue the work on the scenario with those new informations !

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With a 49% participation, I also believe that the left only won by default.

For the Modem, the party is very much in a dying stage with Bayrou becoming a real liability. Some have gone to the PS, the UMP or the green parties.

However, anything could change now from 2012. The PS is not very united right now and the far-left (with Besancenot and such) is not having the same voting base as in the last few years.

Indeed, I was very suprised by the FN score, even through that they can get a sizeable score especially among more working-class sections (they had a really good score in Marine Le Pen's stronghold in Nord-Pas-de-Calais) and this with the usual FN voting base (pieds-noirs especially in PACA and such).

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With a 49% participation, I also believe that the left only won by default.

For the Modem, the party is very much in a dying stage with Bayrou becoming a real liability. Some have gone to the PS, the UMP or the green parties.

However, anything could change now from 2012. The PS is not very united right now and the far-left (with Besancenot and such) is not having the same voting base as in the last few years.

Indeed, I was very suprised by the FN score, even through that they can get a sizeable score especially among more working-class sections (they had a really good score in Marine Le Pen's stronghold in Nord-Pas-de-Calais) and this with the usual FN voting base (pieds-noirs especially in PACA and such).

If Sarkozy do not begin to do a right wing policy, I actually am ready to bet on a reversed 2002, with a PS - FN run off

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Well with pleasure ! Do you know well the French politics ? Andwhat are you interested to do for this mod ? Maybe some particular issues ? Or one particular party to work on ?

I'm fairly good with issues and pictures. I do know the basics of French politics, though sadly I'm not terribly fluent in French. What parties are you going to do? For Presidential elections I'd limit it to 4: the UMP vs Socialists and then the far-right and far-left, since it seems the Center has withered away (chiefly I think due to the UMP stealing their thunder). As for 2007, 5 parties would make sense though Le Pen and the Left performed fairly poorly.

Here is a preliminary list of issues (from 2007):

(2007)

Banlieues

Budget and Debt

Corruption

Economy

Education

Environment

Europe

Government Reform

Health Care

Housing

Immigration

Jobs (contains unions, similar to Germany 2005)

Law and Order

Tax Policy

US Relations

Welfare State

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You can find lots of informations on that on this link (one of the first posts of this thread) : http://80soft.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10768&view=findpost&p=174946

But your asking is important, it means it is not easy to find. So I'll use the first post to update news on the scenario.

I will create all the political parties. Actually, I won't create the run off. Only the first turn will be playable for now. After that, why not creating a very short scenario playble with only two weeks in which we can just choose the two candidates that won the first scenario ? That's a thought I currently have at least :-)

However your propositions are interesting. Some remarks : corruption is always in P4E, and everyone is as corrupted as politicians in Illinois in France so... And in France, Taxes and budget are really two distinct issues, much more than in the US. In France you have the left that want more taxes, but are split between those who wants more dept to finance our welfare system and those who wants a more responsible budget. On the right, more complicated : you have those who wants more taxes to finance our welfare system, split between responsible budget and more dept like the left. nd next to that you have those who wants less taxes but more dept to finance the welfare system and those who wants less taxes and less dept.

But I'm not really good at creating issues so if you want to give it a try, please do !!! ;)

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