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Of course you ignored my other statement.

Right, that must be why the top two people the troops contribute to are...

Obama

Anti-War Republican Ron Paul

Any way, I shall go one by one.

First and forth most, Abortion. Woman who really want an abortion will get one, - either with a safe procedure, or doing so with a clothes hanger. I do support 48 hour waiting periods and required counseling before an abortion to stop a woman from making a rash descison, - but can you tell me that simply outlawing abortions will stop abortion completely? No, it will simply make people use other, dangerous means. Furthermore, Republicans oppose birth control being covered by health care plans, - and they also oppose sex education.

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HAHAHAHA The Republicans are not the ones who call the Constitution a "living document," that should change with the times. The Republicans are not the ones who oppose the 2nd ammendment in the bill of rights, the Republicans are not the ones who want to turn their backs on all the gains made in Iraq and surrender, the Republicans are not the ones against the statement that are whole country is based on (that being the right to LIFE liberty and the pursuit of hapiness, need I go on.

The Republicans are the ones who suspended Habeus Corpus. The Republicans are the ones who created the Patriot Act to shred the Constitution. The Republicans are the ones that claim to be pro-life but don't want to give people health care to make sure they stay alive. The Republicans are the ones who lied and sent us into Iraq under false pretenses. The Republicans are the ones who let the economy fall into shambles in 1929, 1980 and 2008. The Republicans are the ones who took a record surplus and turned into a record deficit and increased the national debt to $9 trillion dollars.

The Democrats are the ones who say the Constitution is a "living document." If you've ever read the 10th Amendment you'd understand that. To quote "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" which means that rights will be establised later on and must be protected. The Democrats are the ones who got us out of the Depression from 1929 and will do so again in 2009. The Democrats are the ones who passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, the American With Disabilities Act. The Democrats are the ones that defend the rights of the people since the Republicans won't do so. The Democrats are the ones that fight for gun control because guns are being brought into schools and are killing kids something the Republicans don't seem to care about, so yes you do need to go on.

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All you stoopid partisians just locked this thread. You know we're not allowed to express our political views on this particular political forum. :P:rolleyes:

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The Republicans are the ones who suspended Habeus Corpus.

So did the Democrats (during WW1),

The Republicans are the ones who created the Patriot Act to shred the Constitution.

Please explain how the Patriot act "shreded the Constituation"

The Republicans are the ones that claim to be pro-life but don't want to give people health care to make sure they stay alive.

No, your wrong there. No American is going to be left to die because they don't have health care, that dosn't happen. In addtion I am not against health care, I say allow people to buy it privatly if they so please. Take a look at history and you'll discover that compition lowers prices and raises quality.

The Republicans are the ones who lied and sent us into Iraq under false pretenses.

No, that info was from the UNITED NATIONS, something that the democrats are in love with even though it's main goal is to screw over America half the time.

The Republicans are the ones who let the economy fall into shambles in 1929, 1980 and 2008.

1929- had nothing to do with policies and everything to do with people making stupid investments. 1980- Sorry Democrats controlled Congress and thus the economy. 2008- Sorry Democrats controlled Congress and thus the economy.

The Republicans are the ones who took a record surplus and turned into a record deficit and increased the national debt to $9 trillion dollars.

Ok, let's not give the troops any money. Let's let them fight with their bear hands. Also once again the Democrats are in control of congress and thus the economy.

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The Democrats are the ones who say the Constitution is a "living document." If you've ever read the 10th Amendment you'd understand that. To quote "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" which means that rights will be establised later on and must be protected.

Sorry but I believe in the Constitution as it is and don't think we need to change it every few years.

The Democrats are the ones who got us out of the Depression from 1929

No WW2 jumpstarted our economy and that got us out of the depression. Also afterwords it was proven that a large majority of FDRs tactics were illegal not to mention being socialist.

and will do so again in 2009.

McCain leads in the polls http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

The Democrats are the ones who passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, the American With Disabilities Act.

They are also the party that promoted slavery and tearing apart the United States.

The Democrats are the ones that defend the rights of the people since the Republicans won't do so.

Hmm... Like the right to carry a gun, right?

The Democrats are the ones that fight for gun control because guns are being brought into schools and are killing kids something the Republicans don't seem to care about, so yes you do need to go on.

Okay, I like your style, screw the Bill of Rights (which you say you protect :lol: )

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Well Abe when the Republicans contribute to the solution not the problem then you might have an argument. Your statement that the Constitution changes every few years is incorrect. Clearly you don't know when the last time the Constitution was amended. Why would you want to screw the Bill of Rights that's incredibly un-American and the Democrats protect most of the Bill of Rights, the Republicans only protect 1 right. The political ideology of the parties has changed just in case you weren't paying attention, and no FDR got us out of the Depression through his policies which were legal. Lets put our troops in the right place to fight not in the wrong place like the Republican administration has done so for the past eight years.

In 1980 President Reagan sat on his hands like Hoover and George W. Bush when it came to the collapse of the economy. I am right that the Republicans do not have the desire to make sure every American has health care, you need to pay attention to the election. If you need me to explain to you how the Patriot Act shreds the Constitution, then you need to read the bill and pay attention when reading it. It was Bush that invaded Iraq without the consent of the UN, which is a paper organization and does nothing, and while I don't like the UN its mission is not to screw over the US. The polls in this election are so close that they are within the margin of error so there is really no way to know who is leading, so you really do need to pay attention. So evidently I needed to go on.

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So did the Democrats (during WW1),

You are comparing WW1 to Iraq? And second of all, - that was only for very small minorities who were considered highly likely to be spies, and furthermore, at least they had water, food and were not tortured.

Please explain how the Patriot act "shreded the Constituation"

The President can basically declare anyone an enemy combatant, he can spy on people's phone calls and communications, - the first step towards a police state. It was passed opportunistically after the September 11 terrorist attacks with almost no debate cause of Bush's lies to the congress and fear politics.

No, your wrong there. No American is going to be left to die because they don't have health care, that dosn't happen. In addtion I am not against health care, I say allow people to buy it privatly if they so please. Take a look at history and you'll discover that compition lowers prices and raises quality.

One of the big problems with America's health care system is that people who have diseases but with no health care have to pay for all their treatments out of pocket, which means either they go broke paying for it, or they just don't get treatment. You think corporations will give people who already have sickness health care? Second of all, - what about all of those people who can't afford Health Care? Who are already working three jobs? Recently I watched an old senate inquiry where a hospital administrator testified that she rejected life saving procedures on well insured people because Insurers refused to pay because of the costs.

So if you want to be absolutely sure you will get life saving treatments in the USA you will have to be Insured and loaded at the same time because having just one of the two will give you a far larger chance of not being helped.

No, that info was from the UNITED NATIONS, something that the democrats are in love with even though it's main goal is to screw over America half the time.

According to the Center for Public Integrity, President Bush's administration made a total of 935 false statements between 2001 and 2003 about Iraq's alleged threat to the United States.

All I have to say.

1929- had nothing to do with policies and everything to do with people making stupid investments. 1980- Sorry Democrats controlled Congress and thus the economy. 2008- Sorry Democrats controlled Congress and thus the economy.

WTF. No, - Democrats don't control the congress, they control the House, - not the Senate. Pelosi has numerous times pointed to where Republicans have blocked numerous bills in the Senate, note the term ' Do nothing Senate '. You never hear ' Do nothing congress '. Furthermore, - Bush can Veto any bill and the Democrats don't have the seats to overturn it.

Ok, let's not give the troops any money. Let's let them fight with their bear hands. Also once again the Democrats are in control of congress and thus the economy.

On congress look above. First and forth most, - Bush has spent trillions on a war which was not needed in the first place, second of all that money could have been spent on Health Care and saving peoples lives. Let's bring the troops home, NOW. Also, Bush has just handed out irresponsible taxcuts which give a person making 1 million or more a tax cut 160 times bigger than the average American.

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Good job Abe. Good thing you got that in before the mods silenced you though. :lol:

Funny how you never contribute to the conversation VoteGOP, other than snubby little sentences.

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Funny how you never contribute to the conversation VoteGOP, other than snubby little sentences.

I've just had enough and don't have the time to sit on a computer and talk politics I do that on other places too much as it is. That comment was in no way against you or abe it was regarding Theorysparks tight regulations on debate. I'm glad you had your say too. Though maybe TS is right I can't afford to bicker with you since you're working on an important scenarion of mine. ;)

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-Cough-

Politics is an emotional topic for me, so I addmitedly get a bit fired up.

Any way, I'll PM you about that.

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-Cough-

Politics is an emotional topic for me, so I addmitedly get a bit fired up.

Any way, I'll PM you about that.

No one would be here if politics wasn't an emotional topic. Got the PM.

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I believe that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place, but I believe that now that we're there we need to win. In addtion about the senate

Political groups

Democratic Party

(49 Members*)

Republican Party

(49 Members)

Independent Socialist

(1 member)

Independent Democratic

(1 member)

(* Both independents caucus with Democrats, for a 51-49 Majority)

Don't try to tell me that Socialists and "independant" dems are going to vote with the Republicans.

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I believe that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place, but I believe that now that we're there we need to win. In addtion about the senate Don't try to tell me that Socialists and "independant" dems are going to vote with the Republicans.

Liebs will.

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I believe that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place, but I believe that now that we're there we need to win. In addtion about the senate Don't try to tell me that Socialists and "independant" dems are going to vote with the Republicans.

That is not having control of a chamber, - it's the equivalent of a minority government, you still can't pass anything with just your parties support. It takes 55-60 votes to actually pass a bill, I forget the number exactly.

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