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  1. Patine

    2020 Candidate Charisma

    I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree there, but I don't think Anthony will be moved by my dubiousness and reservations.
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    2020 Candidate Charisma

    Personally, I believe increasing the range of Charisma from 1-5 to 1-10, from a scenario designer point-of-view, and my own point-of-view, will make things more onerous, not an improvement or feature.
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    New Historical President RP

    @Kingthero OOC: I'm just curious (legitimately so) how Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and the Russian Empire exist intact and unified in the 1950's. It wasn't just WW1 that led to those nations' demise. By 1914, nationalistic movements seething within all three were already to tear all three apart at the seems - WW1 was just an opportunity, in the end, to rapidly hasten the process, but it was very likely certainly inevitable in not too long after had the war been averted. In fact, I don't recall any news flashes of such nationalistic tensions threatening the unity or territorial or political integrity of any of these nations at all. I'm just curious is this is an oversight or not.
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    Preferred 2020 Democratic Candidate

    The U.S. needs a far better political schematic. In a nation of 300 million opinionated people protected by freedom of speech, conscience, and the press, are these 10 candidates (including Trump here, definitely) the best that be mustered for an election for chief executive? Really?
  5. @willpaddyg @daons @LegolasRedbard @Prussian1871 @wolves @SirLagsalott @michaelsdiamonds @victorraiders @Falcon @jnewt @President Garrett Walker @Reagan04 @Conservative Elector 2 @SeanFKennedy @vcczar @jvikings1 @harveyrayson2 @lizarraba @TheMiddlePolitical @CalebsParadox @MrPrez @msc123123 @NYrepublican @RI Democrat @servo75 @Presidentinsertname @ThePotatoWalrus @Sunnymentoaddict @TheLiberalKitten @Quebecois @avatarmushi @Sami @WVProgressive @Kingthero @Lyly @President Trenton Adams @FrancisXKennedy @MBDemSoc @Ido@Thunder@Wiw@Harris/Ernst 2020@jnewt@Ishan@manlex @LokiLoki22 @IonicAmalgam @jdm06ltd @Berg2036 @MBDemSoc @POLITICALBOMB @thr33 @Hestia11 @NYConservative Another big project I have in mind, though one I'll likely just pick at, and don't even remotely expect to get them all done, is PMI, PI, and CI "Full" scenarios. Basically, PMI "Full" means Canadian Federal elections from 1867 to the present day, all Canadian Provincial elections from Provincehood to the present day (or from the mid-1850's to the present day for New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island), the Province of Canada from 1840-1867, Newfoundland from 1855-1932, the North-West Territories from 1898-1902, the Yukon from 1978 to present, the Kingdom of England 1640-1707, Kingdom of Great Britain 1707-1801, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland 1801-1922, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 1922 to present, India 1951 to present, Pakistan 1970 to present, New Zealand 1855-1993 (the last election before New Zealand adopted MMP), South Africa 1910-1989, Southern Rhodesia 1924-1962 and 1980, Rhodesia 1965-1977, Zimbabwe-Rhodesia 1979, Zimbabwe 1980 to present, Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland 1953-1962, West Indies Federation 1958, and maybe a few other Commonwealth and former Commonwealth nations and dependencies with some form on the FPTP Westminster system; and for PI "Full" (and I've already asked @vcczar for permission expanding his historical PI scenarios, at least from 1872 onward); and CI "Full" would have every U.S. House of Representatives election from 1789 to present and every U.S. Senate election from 1914 to present - the thing here is, that, in each one I ended up doing (in no particular order or pattern), EVERY SINGLE party and Independent that historically ran in that election, not just the main parties and other notable vote-getters and potential spoilers, would be represented, and the issues for each (if built upon an existing scenario - not all, or even most, of these elections, even have one) would quite possible be expanded and tweaked, as would some events, endorsers, surrogates, etc.
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    PMI, PI, and CI Full Scenarios

    I apologize for jumping to a false conclusion, but several of your posts very much SEEMED to imply that. I didn't mean to make a false assertation, but that's just how it came across.
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    PMI, PI, and CI Full Scenarios

    I know you are, relatively speaking, a newer active poster, but you mean to have latched onto the concept, which is not actually a real thing here, that there is a "first call" system on this forum, where a poster declares an intention to do a scenario for a particular election or elections, and then has "propriety"' to any sort of scenario, in any way, with any approach or viewpoint, to that election in scenario form, and anyone else who wishes to try the election as a scenario, in any way, shape, or form, even with a very different take on it in terms of parties, candidates, issues, events, endorsers, surrogates, etc., that is different and distinct from the one "calling," that the "permission" of the "caller" is required, and, if denied and such a scenario done anyways, should be treated like a patent violators and driven off the forums. Several recent posts you've made imply you have this point of view, or at least seem to, and I'm informing you, as someone whose been on these forums since 2007, this has NEVER been a convention or rule here.
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    PMI, PI, and CI Full Scenarios

    You can drive a Ford or a Toyota. They both fulfill the basic functions of an automobile, but tend to attract different drivers.
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    2020 Election Poll

    What are you babbling about? is this a "if you can't bedazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit," attempt here? I don't even know what you're segweying the discussion into now. Who is Jerry White and how is he relevant here?
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    2020 Election Poll

    I didn't say it WOULD have, but there might have been more of a chance. You're saying flat-out it WOULDN'T have. You are speaking more confidently and certainly in the hypothetical, here, and I personally think you're argument on the whole singular vs. committee executive system is based on rote and that you're not REALLY thinking about it - you're just defaulting to your comfort zone, and refuse to budge rhetorically.
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    2020 Election Poll

    A committee system of executive office doesn't mean that thug rule would suddenly become the norm, although that seems to be an assumption that forms the basis of your argument. Somehow Switzerland avoids all this chaos, infighting, and thuggery while having the system I speak of. Are you saying outright Americans are a barbaric society, who need a chest-pounding chieftain supported by a council of elders?
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    2020 Election Poll

    They wouldn't have necessarily all agreed to the Bush agenda.
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    2020 Election Poll

    If Congress and the Judiciary are such a balance to the problems of an apex executive office in the U.S., explain to me how George W. Bush managed to trample the U.S. Constitution underfoot numerous times and behave in a close to dictatorial manner, and declare wars on false pretenses just to enrich resource and contracting corporations, and was not stopped?
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    2020 Election Poll

    The thing is, a committee system would also be an internal counter-balance against such abuse, and, if based on regional or other such representation, would be far better reflective of the population in general than a single leader, and would have a more honest mandate to lead the country. Plus, the fact that there would have to be committee decisions would help avoid rash decisions which singular leaders are well-known for. And, my evidence AGAINST the wisdom of a singular leader is not a single anecdote - as I said, there are far more examples of horrid world leaders abusing their positions and being empowered to do horrible because of the power granted by their office in history than I can list.
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    2020 Election Poll

    Edit.
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    2020 Election Poll

    As opposed to a singular apex executive office which has been the subject of so much abuse by so many egotistical, self-aggrandizing, malign, and corrupt figures whose office empowered them to get away with horrible things more times in history than I possibly name. I think the weight of evidence if heavily loaded against you. You're "one anecdote debate victory" attempts have NEVER worked on me. Haven't you noticed?
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    TX/TN Senate 2018

    I'd prefer to play the whole national Senate race for the year by CI, but that would my personal preference by far.
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    2020 Election Poll

    You know, I had suggested the committee apex executive system on @jnewt's more recent Constitutional Convention, that kind of fizzled out.@NYrepublican said it was a disastrous idea because of the decentralized executive in the First French Republic, a republic which had a Reign of Terror (the Reign of Terror was NOT because of a decentralized executive, and, in fact, would have happened quicker and easier if Robespierre had just been given a singular apex executive role himself) and said such a committee apex executive "would always be fighting" (a very trite and stereotyped view, and ignoring that the legislative branch already lacks such unity and an apex executive office, in any modern country, is almost always unrepresentative enough of the population to have a true mandate to fulfill the duties assigned and represent the nation abroad). Those were the only two strokes he had against the committee system (both easily debunked, as I just did), but he ignored the MASSIVE amount of historical baggage, flaws, issues, problems, tragedies, atrocities, and tyrannies throughout history from singular apex executive office holders as being perfectly acceptable, and with far less "proven" flaws than the committee system. I think pretty much everyone else in that convention RP, except, I think @ThePotatoWalrus, who seems to be an admirer of the Swiss political system, agreed with him, seemingly by default and without real consideration.
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    2020 Election Poll

    Trump winning or losing isn't the point anymore. What I want to see in the U.S. is REAL political choice. And for that to happen, the political Duopoly must be broken, and it's ability to dominate elections through media control, a total grip on the electoral commission and the courts, and their firm position to rig elections and marginalize all opposition, and the Electoral College, also has to go. If this does not and cannot happen, the U.S. will remain as having the second worst, most corrupt, most complacent, least accountable, least transparent, and most resistant to true, needed change and the wishes of it's voter of any political culture in the First World, second only to Japan.
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    PMI, PI, and CI Full Scenarios

    The U.S. elections aren't "complete" in the way I had mentioned (please read an important detail or two about my "full" versions in the opening post), and only the most recent House of Representatives and Senate elections have been seriously even given any versions at all (I can't remember how far back @TheLiberalKitten had gotten - 1990, I think, and I think someone else jumped back to a House or Senate election in 1960). Also, if you compare that I plan on taking Provincial elections in Canada into serious consideration - and the massive amount, comparatively, of U.S. State Gubernatorial and Legislative Elections - do not be so quick to declare the U.S. elections complete. There's more to an electoral system than electing one person to a national apex executive office for a four-year term.
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    PMI, PI, and CI Full Scenarios

    Oh, Canada, and it's Provinces, are definitely on this list (along with all the rest I listed), although historical scenarios (most of which will be pre-1982) tend to be the most interesting in Canada, with only a few major exceptions (like the infamous 1993 Federal election or the 2015 Alberta election, for instance).
  22. Patine

    Moving Forward

    @willpaddyg @daons @LegolasRedbard @Prussian1871 @wolves @SirLagsalott @michaelsdiamonds @victorraiders @Falcon @jnewt @President Garrett Walker @Reagan04 @Conservative Elector 2 @SeanFKennedy @vcczar @jvikings1 @harveyrayson2 @lizarraba @TheMiddlePolitical @CalebsParadox @MrPrez @msc123123 @NYrepublican @RI Democrat @servo75 @Presidentinsertname @ThePotatoWalrus @Sunnymentoaddict @TheLiberalKitten @Quebecois @avatarmushi @Sami @WVProgressive @Kingthero @Lyly @President Trenton Adams @FrancisXKennedy @MBDemSoc @Ido@Thunder@Wiw@Harris/Ernst 2020@jnewt@Ishan@manlex @LokiLoki22 @IonicAmalgam @jdm06ltd @Berg2036 @MBDemSoc @POLITICALBOMB @thr33 @Hestia11 @NYConservative So, even though I've come to this conclusion before, I've always allowed myself to be drawn or goaded out, but I firmly believe that most discussion about ACTUAL politics and religion themselves on these forums quickly become toxic, hostile, vicious, incendiary, irresolvable, and lead to very bad fellowship and even insults thrown. Thus, I will no longer participate in such debate, and will devote myself to making scenarios and aiding others with their with material and advice. I'd appreciate not to be tagged or goaded in any thread or poll devoted the debate of politics or religion, or other such matters themselves.
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    Moving Forward

    It's a very ironic thread to post that, in fact...
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    USSR Infinity

    The Central Committee of 1955 was one of the events I was referring to with the last paragraph of my last post. Also, factions and camps in the CPSU are a bit fuzzy, ill-defined, and subject to easily switching across line by prominent member, even much more so than modern camps of the U.S. Democratic and Republican Parties. There was a board game in the late '80's called Politburo, I think, or something of that sort, that dealt specifically with Soviet party politics and rising and falling in the ranks (there was even a space on the board for those banished to Siberia - in case they just happened to get rehabilitated and brought back by allies' changes in fortune), but it was not at all based on an election simulator in any sense of the word.
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    USSR Infinity

    I'm already planning on the docket election scenarios for the 1989 USSR and 1990 for each of the 15 Union Republics Supreme Soviet elections by CI, which were the last (and only contested, multi-party, anywhere near free-and-fair elections in the whole of Soviet history). The problem here is any other election would have one candidate per constituency, who'd be selected by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. There were no legal opponents on the ballot. You either voted for the candidate on the ballot (the vast majority did) or you crossed them off, but because voting wasn't at all secret, you suffered grave consequences for that. Also, the selection of a new Soviet leader was not a simple, straightforward vote of the Supreme Soviet and that was that. It was a very convoluted, involved, complex, and Machiavellian process that involved pulling of many political favours and contacts, wheeling and dealing, backroom agreements, backstabbing, and people getting sent to Siberia, and there was absolutely NO transparency or public discourse on the issue - only the final winner at the end was publicly announced.
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