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  1. Patine

    Trump and Obama by the Numbers

    I was mistaken to make any interjection at all into this conversation. I was VERY quickly reminded why I'm bone sick of these kinds of debates. I am withdrawing once again, and reiterating not to tag me for these sorts of debates.
  2. Patine

    New Historical President RP

    OOC: "...only slightly less well-known than the adage 'don't get involved in a land war in Asia...'" Vicini, "The Princess Bride."
  3. Patine

    Trump and Obama by the Numbers

    So, making several quotes from scripture doesn't constitute any sort of religious basis to your argument?
  4. JDrakeify @willpaddyg @daons @LegolasRedbard @Prussian1871 @wolves @SirLagsalott @michaelsdiamonds @victorraiders @Patine @Falcon @jnewt @President Garrett Walker @Reagan04 @Conservative Elector 2 @SeanFKennedy @vcczar @jvikings1 @harveyrayson2 @lizarraba @TheMiddlePolitical @CalebsParadox @MrPrez @msc123123 @NYrepublican @RI Democrat @servo75 @Presidentinsertname @ThePotatoWalrus @Sunnymentoaddict @TheLiberalKitten @Quebecois @avatarmushi @Sami @WVProgressive @Kingthero @Lyly @President Trenton Adams @FrancisXKennedy @MBDemSoc So, as I've mostly toyed with various ideas lately, and all my most desirable projects have hit one snag or another for the time being (all of which I hope to resolve one day), I was looking over the ideas I had for this fictional layout of a hypothetical future. I had decided that, if I revisited it, I would start with each relevant nation or other major polity's 2048 election (or the closest thereto). Of course, as with today, not every nation in the geopolitical scheme of my envisioned future can be called democratic enough for a contested, free-and-fair election - the scheme has just changed. There are also the Lunar elections (I already have a thread with ideas regarding that, people might recall), Martian elections (which are of a different tenor), and a few other additions here, as well as the borders, politics, and balance having changed internationally. More to come shortly.
  5. Patine

    Trump and Obama by the Numbers

    You misunderstood. It was moreso a comment on the stupidity so entrenched and deep-seated in modern society. I wasn't saying it made sense...
  6. Patine

    Trump and Obama by the Numbers

    It seems a more and more common phenomenon nowadays for someone to just take that as a capitulation.
  7. Patine

    Most popular nominee by State: Another Look

    I think a hard and sharp opposition to Big Government is only one specific camp or branch or Conservativism as a whole, and not even the majority of the phenomenon, from my historical and modern view of the political sphere of things. Thus, saying a leader, movement, or party fails to be Conservative by a single litmus test of Big Government alone doesn't work at all and can't be accurately backed or supported.
  8. Patine

    Trump and Obama by the Numbers

    As much as I loathe to do this, I think you have a distorted view of things that I feel the need to correct. "Murder," by any moral and ethical person's definition of the word, has been committed in such absolutely HUGE amounts by people of pretty much EVERY religious group on the planet today or those extinct that have previously existed (except the religions of uncontacted and isolated tribes who had no, or next to no, contact with other human beings - though such murder occurred internally, as well - and Taoism and Jainism, but their whole philosophies, self-identities, doctrines, organization, and interactions with the world are immensely different fundamentally than the vast majority of others) have been committed - deliberately, maliciously, and sometimes in the most horrible of ways, in the NAME of their religious beliefs and doctrines (by personal interpretation of a flawed and usually angry, hateful, or otherwise emotionally unbalanced member or leader of said religion with ulterior motives or evil ends in mind), with a self-righteous fervor and a belief absolutely noting wrong was done at all, or has just been done so by someone believing themselves to be a highly pious and fervent of said religion whether or not acting in the name of said religion or not. The WORST religions in history for this are followers (or obstensibly so) of the three big Abrahamic Monotheist religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), three biggest South Asian Religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism), Shinto, Confucianism, and, formerly Manichaeism and Roman and Aztec Polytheism. The problem is shown, as shown by this discussion, a lot of these people (or those who support, agree with, or are otherwise behind such people or actions) like to do Mafia-style "virtue laundering," by constantly plowing issues like anti-abortion and anti-euthanasia incessantly, even using arguments for it, in a broad sense, that, when actually thought about, make many of the people they admire and consider heroes themselves just as bad and just as horrible, monstrous, bloody-handed murderers in their own right - but they continue this "virtue-laundering" much like someone who racks up a very large amount of money murdering horribly and robbing a bunch of people, and then gives a little of it to a charity it look and feel good.
  9. Patine

    I am legitimate

    No, I don't. And I have to go in short bit even if I did.
  10. Patine

    A Nightmare Scenario

    Well, to be fair, Hitler only wanted his military, police, and special groups like the SS armed, wanted to euthanize special needs students, and wanted a hard centralized state and stamped out ruthlessly the federal aspects that had been Constitutional pillars of the Weimar and Austrian Federal Republics before him. So, at least the BNP can't REALLY be called Neo-Nazis...
  11. Patine

    C4E Proportional Representation

    I don't like such a clumsy and disjointed plan. I will continue to make scenarios with appropriate electoral systems by K4E.
  12. Patine

    I am legitimate

    You must have missed a couple of things I've said in the last few days.
  13. Patine

    Most popular nominee by State: Another Look

    Not wanting to start a big ideological debate, I'd like to point out that Trump is not personally a conservative and his long history (almost 35 years) in the public eye before being elected shows he is definitely not a real conservative himself at all. He just panders to conservatives to keep his somewhat idiosyncratic and disjoined Presidential style afloat because of the party he ran under, a party he'd only recently declared actual firm membership in (as he's been registered in the past as a member of the Democratic and Reform Parties as well). Basically, saying flat-out "Trump is a conservative" is not really that accurate.
  14. Patine

    I am legitimate

    I played Chess for a number of years sometime ago. I came to find it boring after a while.
  15. Patine

    I am legitimate

    Why did you tag me?
  16. I'm also wondering if @ThePotatoWalrus notice the reference that, in the "rump" United States (which only includes the New England, Mid-Atlantic, and Rust Belt States, as well as Iowa, Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia, but also the current Canadian Provinces of Ontario and the four Maritime Provinces), that there, the Social Democratic Party is nicknamed "the Sanders Party," as Bernie Sanders, a historic figure in the context herein, is the main original ideological inspiration for that party, but also there, the New Republican Party, having been shorn of the Southern, Western, Heartland, and Southwest, and Alaska, whose collective voter bases and regional favouritism largely made "classical Republican" ideologies truly viable, build their party, in the "rump U.S." after (then historic and former) U.S. President Donald Trump's core ideologies and doctrines instead of the "classic Republican" ideals, and is commonly and unofficially dubbed "the Trump Party." I'm wondering if @ThePotatoWalrus caught that one, as he should just be tickled by it...
  17. I said this in immediate response and tag to your suggestions.
  18. I also have a general idea (but not nearly as specific or defined) about Mars, which I envision having less political unity and probably needing several separate election scenarios with two or three polities with no real elections.
  19. As I said above, I have lore for the Moon, of which I linked the earlier thread I'd done lore about it on.
  20. The Horizon Frontier Movement is self-interested and corporatist enough to be part of a coalition that declares independence, but want to propose or arrange a "Jay Treaty" scenario, if you will, shortly afterward.
  21. @willpaddyg @daons @LegolasRedbard @Prussian1871 @wolves @SirLagsalott @michaelsdiamonds @victorraiders @Falcon @jnewt @President Garrett Walker @Reagan04 @Conservative Elector 2 @SeanFKennedy @vcczar @jvikings1 @harveyrayson2 @lizarraba @TheMiddlePolitical @CalebsParadox @MrPrez @msc123123 @NYrepublican @RI Democrat @servo75 @Presidentinsertname @ThePotatoWalrus @Sunnymentoaddict @TheLiberalKitten @Quebecois @avatarmushi @Sami @WVProgressive @Kingthero @Lyly @President Trenton Adams @FrancisXKennedy @MBDemSoc @Ido@Thunder@Wiw@Harris/Ernst 2020@jnewt@Ishan@manlex Western North American Federation: -Great Pioneer Party: Fiscally conservative, socially centre-right, semi-libertarian, nationalistic, military readiness (if not active interventionist plans), limited immigration party. -Freeholders' Party: Close to pure libertarian party - very similar platform to the Libertarian Party in the Christian States of America. -Advance Forward!: Modernist and futurist, pro-technology by government funding, Utopian ideal views of economics and infrastructure, semi-technocratic party. -Grand Evergreen Party: National affiliate of the Global Greens. -Western Liberal Party: Mostly former establishment Democrats and Canadian Liberals from the component former U.S. States and Canadian Provinces and Territories that comprise the WNAF. -Gold Mountain Party: Highly pro-business, industry, natural resource exploitation, free trade, aggressive international corporate policy, lax business regulation party with a socially centre-right and low tax scheme. -High West Mission Party: Evangelical theonymist party similar to the current day Constitution Party of the United States and Christian Heritage Party of Canada. -Indigenous People's Alliance of the Northwest: Party for the rights and interests of the numerous indigenous peoples of the WNAF. -New Nation Party: Ethnic Chinese interests party - strongly anti-People's Republic of China in rhetoric. Free State of Utah: -Deseret Brotherhood: Mormon theocratic party desiring to bring back Brigham Young-era Church governance now that Washington, D.C.'s conditions for joining the Union and holding sway over Utah law are no longer applicable. -Community Party: Anti-theocratic, "soft-conservative" party. -Liberal Party: Secular, progressive, modern-law-code, small party. Third Mexican Empire: -National Imperial Party: Favoured party of Emperor Juan Carlos I and ALWAYS holds government through rigged, unfair elections (hence why Mexico is not listed on the nations where election scenarios are generally viable here). Other than the NIP, there are officially three other parties - the Loyal Landowners' Party and the Conservative Church and Commerce Party (both widely viewed as "rubberstamp," or "yesman" parties to the NIP), and the Reform and Consensus Party, a mild, but tolerated, opposition party. There are also MANY criminal, insurgent, militia, and vigilante groups ALL over the country! Caribbean Alliance: -Caribbean Labour Party: Centre-left, moderate party. -Caribbean Alliance People's Party: Centre-right, business-friendly party. -National Freedom Party of the Caribbean: Hard-right-wing nationalist, anti-immigration, and naval spending party. -Caribbean Democratic Party: Centrist party with some liberal social policies. -Antillean Communist Party: Hard Communist party. Broke electoral pact with the July 26th Social Democratic Party when the latter moderated and changed it's name to get more electoral appeal. -July 26th Social Democratic Party: Former Communist Party of Cuba reformed and rebranded after losing power and becoming an opposition party, much like many Warsaw Pact Communist Parties did after the Cold War. Mostly runs on Cuba, but has begun running on other Caribbean islands. -West Indies Federal Party: A party that focuses on renegotiated the ill-defined "alliance" and "political structure of convenience and convention" into a proper, structured, and firmly legally defined federal, constitutional structure. -Black Star Nationalist Party: Radical, Black-nationalist, Afro-centric, anti-White, Indigenous, Mestizo, and Malata, isolationist, ultra-nationalist party. -Louverture-Christophe Party and Duvalier-Samedi Parties: Two nostalgic parties largely limited to Haiti that harken (in romanticized, revisionist viewpoints) two separate periods of Haiti's history and the ideals and doctrines from those periods that are desired to be "renewed." Now, the whole North American continent has been gone over (with California detailed in the above link), except for the fate of Arizona and New Mexico, which is a bit tricky (I've decided to put Oklahoma with the Christian States of America, Nebraska with the Western North American Federation, and Kansas will go to one of those two - I haven't quite decided which. Europe will be dealt with next. Again, comments and constructive criticism are more than welcome.
  22. I thought he committed suicide after having backed the failed Operation Valkyrie...
  23. Thanks for the suggestions. The Lunar Assembly parties and setup are mostly covered, as per the link to an earlier thread I gave above. The Martian situation is more complex and lacks the Lunar sense of nominal unity, and would likely be done as several separate election scenarios with several polities on Mars lacking electoral opportunities, but some of those Martian party idea could still find a home in that framework. Thanks!
  24. Let me get this straight. The Allies are still winning the War, and the end is clearly in sight, but Roosevelt is trailing to anti-war candidate?
  25. Thanks. I've applied a strong mix of knowledge of real and historical political parties around the world, and political ideological knowledge (and the evolution, mutation, and distortion thereof that is commonly seen) to extrapolate new political schemes. However, some countries will be harder than others to manage.